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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Medicine Man » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:27 am

Not that I like to comment on politics too much on here, but see ya UK nice knowing you. :(

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Wrathbone » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:34 am

Someone at work just told me they voted Conservative for the first time because they don't like Corbyn. I asked why.

"Dunno, just don't like him."

And there is this shitshow of an election in a nutshell. FFS. I give up. ](*,)

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Sly Boots » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:37 am

Wrathbone wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:34 am
Someone at work just told me they voted Conservative for the first time because they don't like Corbyn. I asked why.

"Dunno, just don't like him."

And there is this shitshow of an election in a nutshell. FFS. I give up. ](*,)
Honestly, I think that is a fairly widespread opinion, Labour were morons for persisting with an essentially unelectable candidate in the country's most important election for umpteen years.

Me and my wife both voted Labour because who else could we vote for, but neither of us felt particularly happy about it. (Tories in our constituency got 200% of the votes Labour did, incidentally).

I still mourn the day they brought in the wrong Milliband and David quit politics altogether.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Animalmother » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:49 am

Fucking hell, this is so grim :(

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Achtung Englander » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:50 am

I agree that betrayal of David Milliband by his brother is what sowed the seeds for Labour's demise.

Labour needs to split and leave Momentum behind and a new centralist party needs to run

The fact the party leaders cannot see Corbyn as the one of the root issues as to why they were decimated is a problem

For Labour to win in 2024 they need to change their entire strategy.
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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:08 am

Sly Boots wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:37 am

Honestly, I think that is a fairly widespread opinion, Labour were morons for persisting with an essentially unelectable candidate in the country's most important election for umpteen years.
And if Corbyn had stepped down, the media machine would have just smeared his successor. As the quote suggests, people who voted Tory because they don't like Corbyn don't even know why they don't like him.

I'm honestly terrified about what this result says for our democracy, if we can even call it that anymore. We may as well admit now that the United Kingdom is ruled by rich media barons who absolutely do not care about the interests of the general public. In fact making the public worse off probably lines their pockets as they can sell the next scapegoat for everyone to get riled up about. It's the EU now, perhaps it'll be socialists next.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by arqueturus » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:17 am

It doesn't matter that they don't know why they don't like him. You have to raise up a candidate that can win over the public, as Tony Blair did - who was a very very slick politician.

I voted Labour, I recently moved to Macclesfield which has never been anything other than Conservative so I knew that wasn't going to change but I'm dismayed at the result. The biggest majority that the Conservatives have had since Thatchers second term. Just let that sink in.

My current feeling is that I need to leave the UK. Potentially to Europe or Scotland if they leave the Union (which I really do see happening).

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Achtung Englander » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:32 am

An Independent Scotland cannot happen until they figure out what currency they use.
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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:09 pm

arqueturus wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:17 am
It doesn't matter that they don't know why they don't like him. You have to raise up a candidate that can win over the public, as Tony Blair did - who was a very very slick politician.
You're right of course, there's no point in throwing the same relentlessly smeared leader up against the media and a public that already distrust him.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Strudel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:20 pm

I'm definitely planning to leave the country. There's no point staying here. Jeremy Corbyn was a terrible leader, but ultimately a huge swathe of the country decided they wanted to vote for a homophobic, misogynistic, racist, adulterous liar over someone they "didn't really like for no particular reason". Corbyn is a problem, but the bigger problem is that most of the country are bigoted cunts.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Rossell » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:23 pm

Yeah my mp had a bigger margin this time than 2017.

He's useless. To be fair this is the first time I think that Labour have had a decent candidate but she's starting out and plus the Corbyn factor. Also I live in a rural area where minorities are frowned upon which doesn't help.

I've been planning to move out but I'm now considering what country more than anything.

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by arqueturus » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:18 pm

Raid wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:09 pm
arqueturus wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:17 am
It doesn't matter that they don't know why they don't like him. You have to raise up a candidate that can win over the public, as Tony Blair did - who was a very very slick politician.
You're right of course, there's no point in throwing the same relentlessly smeared leader up against the media and a public that already distrust him.
The problem is, when you read through a manifesto, or search out the truth on things, you tend to assume others do to. So many don't, they just believe what they're told.

I'm sure that the fact that Boris Johnson didn't bother to turn up for questions/debates/interviews work in his favour because that will have appealed to folks that want a 'maverick' 'bad boy' that can 'stick it to the establishment'.

He is the fucking establishment. Through and through. #-o

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:01 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... reddit.com

Do you think they do this just to rub it in? Immediately reveal it was all lies right after the elections? Like some sort of massive "remember who controls you you miserable fucks"?

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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by eny » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:24 pm

That story is from the 25th November.... :-k
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Re: The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:33 pm

Oh, err, so it is. Well, you just know they're thinking it. ¬_¬

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