The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Mantis » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:44 pm

Oh absolutely, despite everything none of them seem to get it yet that the British Empire ended after Suez and that a no deal Brexit will mean the end of Britain as a great power; reducing us to the dirty doorstep of Europe, unable to trade freely with them and being forced into selling ourselves to the USA. Despite all that British Exceptionalism will still thrive among the populists. I've had enough of them now though, I'll just enjoy hearing how much they suffer because of their own ill-informed actions.

The Tories have destroyed the social contract and done a good job of rolling back the post war consensus, and they've gotten away with it.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Achtung Englander » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:44 pm

If the supermarket shelves start going empty it could even benefit the health of the nation, especially given how fat people have become. It's the lack of medicines which is really shitty.
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Mantis » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:51 pm

I really hope you're joking. Food shortages will be good because it will make people lose weight? Food shortages usually result in riots in the streets, I guess the cardio will be good for all the fatties too. :-k

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:03 pm

Yes, it's not as if the only foods we'll be short of are cake and chocolate bars; we're talking anything that gets imported - fruit, veg, meat, absolute basic foodstuffs that we don't produce ourselves (or that are cheaper to import). The UK does not produce enough of its food to feed its own population. Prices will go up across the board, and as ever the poorest will suffer most.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Wrathbone » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:21 pm

As one of the fatties, I look forward to all the grease-filled takeaways I’ll be eating once the real food disappears from the shelves.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:38 pm

MPs have voted to reject a no-deal Brexit. It's not a legally binding vote (it does nothing to alter the withdrawal date), but then neither was the referendum and that's basically been regarded as gospel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47050665

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Mantis » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:04 pm

In summary, the result of the votes tonight is: MPs have voted to reject no deal, but they've also voted to send May back to negotiate with the EU on the backstop.

And the EU immediately clarifies that the backstop is not open for re-negotiation.



It is actually getting funny now, they are all so busy playing party politics that they're completely detached from what is possible in reality. Very much a case of playing the fiddle while Rome burns, or rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic; not sure which comparison is more apt.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by The Jackal » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:49 am

Meanwhile it snowed in my part of the world tonight so Fuck All Y'All I had me some escapism for... three, three hours or so. Now there's no snow, and I'm behind on events.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Achtung Englander » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:50 pm

Parliament - Theresa, tell them we do not want the back stop
May to EU - We don't want the backstop
EU - Fuck off
May to Parliament - They said Fuck off
Parliament - Tell them they must renegotiate because we said so because we...said..they...must
May - please can talk about the backstop
EU - no fuck off
May to Parliament - They are not budging
Parliament - Theresa, you're shit.
May to Parliament - OK I am shit but they just told you, all of you, to fuck off
Parliament - er....
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Mantis » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:16 pm

Corbyn and May met for an hour today, his comment afterwards:

“I’m suspicious that there is a programme of running down the clock here.”

No shit. It's been clear ever since her deal fell flat in the House the first time that her intention now is to push things right to the very brink before the deadline of Article 50 and then force MPs to vote on her deal again or face an imminent no deal scenario. MPs will begrudgingly vote it through (apart from the ERG and DUP) because none of them want to face a no deal scenario. The alternatives are no deal and ruin the country or one of them has the guts to table an emergency motion to revoke Article 50, which I don't think anybody will dare try.

All of this "MPs have agreed to send May back to Brussels to renegotiate the backstop" nonsense is pure time wasting and May absolutely knows it, there is no way she will get the concession that MPs seem to think she will.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Achtung Englander » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:00 pm

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Wrathbone » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:39 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902

Clearly the best way to enact change in your party is to rage quit it during the most crucial period of political negotiation we’ve faced in decades. ](*,)

The in-fighting and indecision within Labour and the Conservatives is untenable. Every day it continues, the UK becomes increasingly fucked. Right now anarchy looks like a viable alternative to whatever this shitstorm of a political system is meant to be.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Strudel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:57 am

It's not like they haven't been trying to change things, but ultimately they've had no success at all and Corbyn seemingly refuses to actually get off his arse and do anything. As they said at the press conference, it doesn't change the parliamentary arithmetic regarding Brexit - they're still vehemently opposed to it. Which is more than you can say for Corbyn.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Wrathbone » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:16 pm

What would you have Corbyn do?

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Strudel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:21 pm

Actually put forward a position on Brexit. Preferably one grounded in reality rather than "we'll get a better deal" which is just nonsense. Just admit that the whole thing has been handled abysmally by the current government and in the current circumstance our best option right now is to revoke article 50 or at the very least have a vote based on actual facts rather than lies and ridiculous promises and put back the deadline until the country has actually voted on what the options are.

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