The Elephant in the Room - Brexit

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Tommy » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:26 am

On the basis that I have to be consistent, I don't support a second referendum.

I support ignoring the first referendum. It shouldn't have went to the people in the first place. Therefore I can't support it going back to the people. Revoke Article 50, deal with the fallout, move on.

And anybody who thinks I'm not being serious, I am. They say what's happening makes a mockery of our democracy. Well, we have a representative democracy. Referenda make a mockery of that.

This whole era makes a mockery of real issues too.

This is where I'm at now.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Wrathbone » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:42 am

Tommy wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:26 am
On the basis that I have to be consistent, I don't support a second referendum.
Why do you have to be consistent? Opinions change, needs change. One of our greatest traits as humans is our ability to adapt to changing situations, not to mention the ability to compromise. I didn’t support the first referendum either but if the options are crashing out with no deal, accepting May’s shit deal or having another referendum, another ref is my preferred option.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Mantis » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:51 pm

Over a million people in central London protesting today. Meanwhile, about 200 people on the Pro Brexit March are just passing through Nottingham.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Hatredsheart » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:13 pm

Mantis wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:51 pm
Over a million people in central London protesting today. Meanwhile, about 200 people on the Pro Brexit March are just passing through Nottingham.
Yup, spot the difference

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Sly Boots » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:14 pm

Christ, the Leave bunch look like they're looking for the SAGA coach to take them back to the home...

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Raid » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:36 pm

At what point do you think the pro-Brexit march look at each other and decide that they're doing their cause more harm than good?

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by The Jackal » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:27 am

Raid wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:36 pm
At what point do you think the pro-Brexit march look at each other and decide that they're doing their cause more harm than good?
After they start fucking each other to keep warm, most likely.
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Pew-Pew » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:38 am

The more of a shitshow this becomes, the more optimistic I start to feel about it. The impression I get is that it is increasingly more likely that there will have to be something drastic like an amendment that includes a requirement for a second referendum in order for May's deal to be voted on/pass. I dunno if it's just the background noise of the massive protest yesterday + the petition though. I WANT TO BELIEVE.

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Achtung Englander » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:28 pm

so on Wednesday we are going to have a night of indicatives votes. So far No.10 has said TM deal is still the only one on the table. Even if May accepts the verdict of the indicative votes, how will she negotiate that when she will not believe in it and if the EU say this is not the deal we agreed on. I think this is the biggest crises the UK parliament has faced since 1940. One thing is for sure, history books will be written about this in their droves.

I still think we are heading for a hard Brexit merely out of default irrespective of what Parliament voted for.
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Stormbringer » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:58 am

I saw an article on a fact-checker website which suggested the amount of people marching in London last week was somewhere around 300,000, rather than 1,000,000.
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Drarok » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:26 pm

Was that a pro-leave "fact" checker, perchance?

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Stormbringer » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:53 pm

No, it was an independent fact checker.

https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vot ... main_story
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by The Jackal » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:21 pm

Hah. Someone at work who went said they know someone who has access to the Met Police records and "Unofficially" there were TWO million.

God I hate sitting next to tech-support.
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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by Medicine Man » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:37 pm

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Re: The elephant in the room - Brexit

Post by The Jackal » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:40 pm

Medicine Man wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:37 pm
It's like a more grown up version of my uncle works at Nintendo
:lol:

Oh god, not that...
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