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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Hatredsheart » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:50 am

Raid wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:26 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

As expected, the government is pushing the blame onto the public. Northerners are irresponsible, apparently.
So looking at those rules, two separate households can't meet each other indoors, but it's ok if they happen to bump into each other in the still open pubs and restaurants. Which, ofc, are indoors....
Supposed to be heading up to Bury and Manchester for a few days next week, really don't want to do a 4 1/2 hour drive to find that by the time I get there they've started closing things again. Wish they'd be a bit clearer.
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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Achtung Englander » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:11 am

make it easy
make it consistent

when indoor stay away from each other by at least 1 meter and wear a mask regardless of venue. Restaurants should encourage wearing of masks until the food is delivered

when outdoors stay 2 meters away

keep saying that again and again and again

This mixed messaging is a disgrace and reinforces the opinion that never give a job to a civil servant if you want it done well.
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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Strudel » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:11 am

Only a government this inept could set down a law that made it illegal to have someone round your home but allow multiple homes to all meet up at the pub.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Strudel » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:12 am

Civil servants aren't making the rules. BoJo and his merry morons are entirely responsible for that.

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Post by eny » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:16 am

Quite literally on the eve of Eid too...maybe just to put the brakes on to limit a spike from festivities?
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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by elgaucho » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am

I have to say, I think Luxembourg has done a fairly decent job overall at managing the crisis. I'm sure it helps that the country is small, but the instructions were clear and concise from very early on.

It was quite shocking at the start when everyone had to queue 2 metres apart to get into supermarkets, when people in groups were told they couldn't go in - only one per family household, and with most services shut down.

While our numbers are creeping up again, the govt is nevertheless pro active, and has reduced numbers for aggregation again, and people mostly are happy to follow without question. Home working is still encouraged as much as possible.

The country has tested 420k+ people out of some 600k residents, and I can drive in to a test centre at any point if i want a test and have results in 24h. Still a bit tedious not travelling anywhere this year, but it just doesn't seem worth the risk.

Some local stats including charts over time etc if anyone cares:
https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1558120.html
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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Mantis » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:52 am

The consequences of our botched handling of this are entirely on our government, nothing to do with the civil service. Every step of the way they've been slow to react, trying to keep businesses happy, undermining their own rules with government officials flouting them with zero consequences. We were too slow to enter lockdown and far too quick to come out of it.

The rules at the minute are an absolute farce. Certain areas can't meet their own families or attend gatherings of groups of more than 2, yet everywhere else it's fine for everyone to sit inside a pub all day. The blanket introduction of wearing masks everywhere which is being strengthened in August is coming ridiculously late.

Even when they're introducing measures which are compulsory they somehow manage to make them wishy washy and confusing. Johnson has a habit of making everything sound optional when he pleads to everyone to follow guidelines. Following the lockdown of northern England earlier this week the measures were so all over the place that even the Health Secretary was getting them wrong on TV interviews.

This is what happens when you elect a populist bunch of no hopers who permanently see things as a PR campaign rather than being concerned with actual good governance.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Wrathbone » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:51 am

Anyone else still firmly in the mindset that going to the pub / eating out is not yet worth the risk, while simultaneously being texted by a bunch of people trying to get you to go out?

I'm not sure how I can make my stance any clearer to certain people. :?

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Post by arqueturus » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:57 am

Wrathbone wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:51 am
Anyone else still firmly in the mindset that going to the pub / eating out is not yet worth the risk, while simultaneously being texted by a bunch of people trying to get you to go out?

I'm not sure how I can make my stance any clearer to certain people. :?
We've been to 5 separate pubs since lockdown ended and went to a restaurant last night. Just mid week though, we've steered clear of them towards a weekend where they're all full to new capacity and really aren't worth it. All the measures put in place have been good with one of the Pubs even taking temperatures before service. In many ways it's been a more pleasant experience than it used to be due to the limits on numbers etc.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Wrathbone » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:23 am

I've nothing against people who do head to pubs and restaurants - that's their choice. I guess I just don't want a pint or a meal out enough to warrant the risk. The measures in place I've seen from various photos and descriptions from friends appear to be a mixed bag, but even at the places that are clearly making an effort to be safe, you're ultimately still eating food prepared in unknown conditions. You're still drinking a pint from a glass handled and cleaned by someone most likely on minimum wage who doesn't really want to be there. And you're still going through the rigmarole of giving out personal contact details when you arrive, which in some cases is handled with zero care or security (apparently there's a pub near me which gets people to jot their details down on a notepad at the end of the bar, with everyone else's details free for the taking).

The risk/reward ratio is still not looking good from my perspective.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by arqueturus » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:28 pm

Wrathbone wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:23 am
I've nothing against people who do head to pubs and restaurants - that's their choice. I guess I just don't want a pint or a meal out enough to warrant the risk. The measures in place I've seen from various photos and descriptions from friends appear to be a mixed bag, but even at the places that are clearly making an effort to be safe, you're ultimately still eating food prepared in unknown conditions. You're still drinking a pint from a glass handled and cleaned by someone most likely on minimum wage who doesn't really want to be there. And you're still going through the rigmarole of giving out personal contact details when you arrive, which in some cases is handled with zero care or security (apparently there's a pub near me which gets people to jot their details down on a notepad at the end of the bar, with everyone else's details free for the taking).

The risk/reward ratio is still not looking good from my perspective.
Valid points but I'd argue it's exactly the same with food bought from a Supermarket ie. packaging handled etc. In no way am I trying to convince anyone it's safe and they're scaremongering/over reacting mind. I think we can safely make our own decisions based on criteria what we think is sensible.

Interesting you bring up the collection of details as that's been highly variable so far. Some places take it when you book, others are using an app, one pub was indeed asking you to write details on little card and others aren't even enforcing it.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Mantis » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:45 pm

Easier to control the supermarket stuff though to make it safe. We wipe all our shopping down with Dettol wipes when we get in. Can't really do that with food someone has handled in a kitchen which you eat immediately in a pub or restaurant.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Alan » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:11 pm

Wrathbone wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:51 am
Anyone else still firmly in the mindset that going to the pub / eating out is not yet worth the risk, while simultaneously being texted by a bunch of people trying to get you to go out?
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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by arqueturus » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:30 pm

Mantis wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:45 pm
Easier to control the supermarket stuff though to make it safe. We wipe all our shopping down with Dettol wipes when we get in. Can't really do that with food someone has handled in a kitchen which you eat immediately in a pub or restaurant.
Do you do that with fresh produce also or are you avoiding buying it?

For my part I've moved away from Supermarkets where possible and started using small local independant businesses like butchers and bakers (appreciate not everywhere has these to use). My theory being that a smaller store is easier to control from a hygeine perspective. Trying to do the same with pubs and restaurants too and go to small independant places rather than anywhere bigger.

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Re: The Covid-19 Thread

Post by Mantis » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:43 pm

We wipe down some fresh stuff and then wash it. Or sometimes we just wash them and put them aside for a few days in the cupboard. It depends really.

I've been to a couple of restaurants since things started opening up but no way am I risking going to the pub just for expensive pints when I can socialise with cheaper alcohol in much safer conditions outside when the weather is nice.

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