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Re: General Film News

Post by Achtung Englander » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:37 am

ok, I made my case.
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Re: General Film News

Post by Mantis » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:20 pm

I disagree that it was necessary to entirely dump the expanded universe to make the new movies. Marvel have done a decent enough job of producing movies from many decades worth of material that came before from the comics. I don't really know an enormous amount about it outside of various video games though, I never read any of the novels.

The only real problem coming into Ep9 is going to be the lack of a cohesive feel running through the new trilogy, it doesn't really feel like the third movie has much purpose to it because of the disjointed mess that TLJ left behind. It seemed to me that Johnson basically dropped all the potential story arcs set up in TFA in favour of doing completely his own thing. Flashbacks of Rey's childhood in the rain? Irrelevant, her parents were nobodies according to TLJ. New emperor style big baddie? Complete and utter fodder for Kylo to slice up.

You can't tell a good story across a trilogy where the writing and direction is quite clearly completely divvied up between two separate directors slap bang in the middle. It doesn't help that TLJ was awful too, really full of too many poorly written characters vying for screen time with a number of really stupid ideas that didn't really make sense.

It's very disappointing that the new trilogy has been utilised in such a way, currently I rate it at about the same level as the prequels. TFA started so damn strong though, I enjoyed that movie overall even though it ended up rehashing a lot of ideas from A New Hope.

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Re: General Film News

Post by Stormbringer » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:45 pm

Personally, I don't get too hung up on all the issues. I just take what's on offer and choose to enjoy it.
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Re: General Film News

Post by Sly Boots » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:53 pm

I think the problem for me is that I didn't particularly enjoy TFA, and from all I've read it's the better of the two films. It was... ok. Honestly I got bored by a fair amount of it to the extent I can't really recall much of the plot or what the deal is with any of the new characters. And part of the reason I've put off watching TLJ is that I can't be arsed sitting through TFA again to try to remember what's going on.

I enjoyed Rogue One for the most part, but not seen Solo. And probably won't, based on what others have said about it.

I just feel a bit sad I don't get excited about a new Star Wars film any more. TBF that predates the Disney trilogy by a couple of films.

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Re: General Film News

Post by Achtung Englander » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:53 pm

Mantis wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:20 pm
I disagree that it was necessary to entirely dump the expanded universe to make the new movies. Marvel have done a decent enough job of producing movies from many decades worth of material that came before from the comics. I don't really know an enormous amount about it outside of various video games though, I never read any of the novels.

The only real problem coming into Ep9 is going to be the lack of a cohesive feel running through the new trilogy, it doesn't really feel like the third movie has much purpose to it because of the disjointed mess that TLJ left behind. It seemed to me that Johnson basically dropped all the potential story arcs set up in TFA in favour of doing completely his own thing. Flashbacks of Rey's childhood in the rain? Irrelevant, her parents were nobodies according to TLJ. New emperor style big baddie? Complete and utter fodder for Kylo to slice up.

You can't tell a good story across a trilogy where the writing and direction is quite clearly completely divvied up between two separate directors slap bang in the middle. It doesn't help that TLJ was awful too, really full of too many poorly written characters vying for screen time with a number of really stupid ideas that didn't really make sense.

It's very disappointing that the new trilogy has been utilised in such a way, currently I rate it at about the same level as the prequels. TFA started so damn strong though, I enjoyed that movie overall even though it ended up rehashing a lot of ideas from A New Hope.
well said ! my sentiments exactly
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Re: General Film News

Post by Raid » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:06 pm

Incidentally you may want to stop using Thrawn as an example of old canon given that he's the primary antagonist in the second half of Rebels. I don't really know the character well enough to say whether they did him justice or not (I suspect he was a very watered down version given it wasa kids' show).

Edit: this was supposed to be a reply to someone on the previous page, I didn't see all of this.

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