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Post by Wrathbone » Tue Mar 04, 2025 7:51 pm

Gladiator II

To my surprise, it wasn't anywhere as bad as I thought it might be. It's not great, either - certainly not a patch on the original, which is one of my favourite films of all time. It's a dumb spectacle, which taken on its own terms is perfectly reasonable entertainment. If the story had a reason to exist, or the performances could hold a candle to the likes of Joaquin Phoenix and Oliver Reed, it might even be good. Some of the performances are actually decent, notably Pedro Pascal and Denzel Washington, but they're not given much to work with. And then there are the shambolic panto performances of the co-emperors, who have none of the quiet menace of Commodus, instead favouring shouty "look how cuckoo crazy I am" antics.

I think it was a mistake to tie it so closely to the first film, because all that did was remind me how much better it was in all comparable regards. If they'd picked a different gladiatorial story in a different era of Rome, it might have worked better.

6/10

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Post by Stormbringer » Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:41 pm

A mate of mine said pretty much everything you did. I'm hoping to watch it soon, but I just can't get over the fact they've called it Gladiator 2.

2.

Are we really still calling sequels "2" now? It just seems so...something we did several decades ago. I know, there's probably tons of films out there with a 2 (I watched Inside Out 2 with my kids just a couple of weeks ago), but somehow it seems unbecoming of the absolute classic that is Gladiator. Perhaps if it was called 'Gladiator: Eagles of Rome' or 'Gladiator: Heirs of Maximus' or something like that, I'd get it, but...2. It's just not right.

Anyway, I should stop ranting about that and watch the actual film...
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My state more base than are the basest valleys;
I wish no evenings more to see, each evening;
Shamed, I hate myself in sight of mountains,
And stop mine ears, lest I grow mad with music.

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Re: I Just Watched (Films)

Post by Wrathbone » Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:48 pm

If you're concerned with the title sullying the good reputation of Gladiator, it may be wise to make your peace with the sequel now. :lol:

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Post by Wrathbone » Mon Mar 10, 2025 8:53 am

Eyes Wide Shut

26 years late to the party (not THAT party :shock: ) and good lord I wish I'd delved in sooner. Before Kubrick died, he declared Eyes Wide Shut his greatest contribution to the art of cinema, and I don't dare disagree. It's a masterpiece.

I knew very little going into the film. What I did know was some of the mythos that has built up around it, such as the persistent rumours that Kubrick was murdered because it attempted to reveal the sordid events and sex trafficking that the elite are involved with, or that certain scenes were edited after his death and before the film was released to hide a few details, or that he picked Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman because of Scientology and the fact that he begged his daughter to leave their cult, or that Kidman's father was supposedly involved in child abuse. Given what we now know about Jeffery Epstein, Prince Andrew and all that ilk, I'm inclined to believe that some or all of this could be true, or at least that Kubrick knew things about that arena that he tried to portray on film.

After watching it, all that remains fascinating but is secondary to the film itself. Even as a surface reaction from a first-time viewing, I was gripped from start to finish, mesmerised by the endless questions that are silently posed and the possible answers that are tantilisingly dangled but left to interpretation. More than any other Kubrick film I've seen, it rewards careful attention to detail - nothing is presented accidentally. And the final scene I had to rewatch about three or four times until it dawned on me why I found it so unsettling, and once it clicked... fuuuuuck! :cry:

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I had to look up fan theories afterwards to confirm I wasn't simply imagining something beyond what's on screen, and it does seem that many people interpret it that they've handed their daughter over to the elite. It was the way they kept letting her run off in the shop that was bothering me, and then when we last see her she wanders off following two old guys, while Cruise and Kidman look away and immediately become unconcerned with her location from then on. There's also a guy that follows behind her that bears a striking resemblance to a waiter at the opening party at Victor's.

It's so subtle, but I refuse to believe Kubrick presented the scene like that without intent. It even makes the final conversation make more sense, which otherwise seems kind of baffling. Kidman's final word as to what they need to do - "Fuck" - to me implies that they accepted membership to the culty fuck-club and sold their daughter to them, partly because (I assume) Victor told them that they'd all be killed if they didn't, and partly because it's actually what they want. They both want extra-marital sex, to the extents that Alice admits she would have abanonded Bill AND HER DAUGHTER (!!!) for a night with the military guy, and Bill straight up pays for a hooker (even though he doesn't go through with it). This is the most difficult thing to accept which the film poses - that there are people, apparently decent upstanding citizens by appearances, who will literally sell their daughter for absolutely harrowing reasons.

I saw an analysis of the scene where Bill returns to the mansion and receives a note which suggests it may have been altered from Kubrick's original intention, and I find it quite compelling:

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The note Bill receives essentially says stop investigating or else, which on the surface makes sense. But what if Kubrick intended us to see something far more sinister on the note, or for us to not see the note at all, leaving it to interpretation? That could seriously alter the tone and the context of the events that follow. What if the note said something like: You ignored your first warning, now there will be consequences. Hand over your daughter and we will give her a life of luxury. If you refuse, she will die, then you and your wife will die. Go to the police or the press if you want - we own them. Try running and you will find we are everywhere.

That to me explains Bill's actions better than the second warning letter. With the second warning, I'd expect Bill to realise that he's in too deep and should back down to keep his family safe, whereas instead he keeps probing against all reason. The only way that makes sense to me is if he thinks his daughter is in danger no matter what, so he's reeling against the inevitable to try and do anything he can to protect her. And then after he talks to Victor and returns home, he bursts into tears because he knows he can't win and he has to discuss what to do about it with Alice. It's not a conversation about their relationship, as it initially appeared to me, it's a conversation about whether they should sell their daughter or risk her being murdered.

Why would the note specifically be altered after Kubrick died? Because it's the one thing in the film that explicitly links the elite with child trafficking. It's tinfoil conspiracy territory, I know, but god it makes a disturbing kind of sense.

Despite it being over 2.5 hours long, I almost feel like I need to watch it again tonight. There is so much to unpack!

10/10

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Post by Wrathbone » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:55 pm

Blackbird

I find that the best bad films tend to be vanity projects, so when I discovered that notorious lothario Michael Flatley had written, funded, directed and starred in a secret agent film in 2018 (with his production company Dancelord :lol: ), it was like a beacon guiding me home. Part of me thinks he must have been inspired by the Michael Scarn film in the US Office, but the whole thing is played completely deadpan despite it being laughably awful from start to finish. Even the poster gets me:

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It's every James Bond / Austin Powers trope condensed into 82 minutes of face-clenching incompetence. Should you feel the need, the whole thing is available for free on Youtube:



3/10

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Re: I Just Watched (Films)

Post by ManBearSquid » Mon Mar 17, 2025 2:49 pm

Haha thanks, I've wanted to see this for some time.
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Post by Sly Boots » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:21 pm

Ahh, that Eric Roberts seal of quality :lol:

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Post by Animalmother » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:47 pm

Mickey 17
What a very odd film that I'm pretty sure I enjoyed but can't explain why. It's from the same director of Snowpiercer so it feels a little like that except it's a comedy.
Mickey volunteers to be an Expendable, a worker that is given extremely dangerous jobs on a space colony ship and has his body reprinted after each death while his memory stays intact. He has no human rights or prospects. There's an utterly unnecessary backstory of how he gets to this point that goes on way too long. The main problem with the film is it's too long and meandering. But as I said I still enjoyed it.
Mark Ruffalo character is basically Trump with some of the familiar mannerisms we've all come to loathe.

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Post by Animalmother » Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:44 pm

Sasquatch Sunset
What to say about this very strange film about a small group of sasquatch roaming the forest? It's very odd, at times very funny, disgustingly gross and all a bit sad. There's no dialogue other than grunting and the cast wear full makeup and body suits. They often just sit for extended periods eating plants or drinking water, occasionally interacting with other animals (such as sniffing a skunk to get high).There's an array of bodily functions on display, all unpleasant.

It's just very weird but I strangely enjoyed it.

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Post by Stormbringer » Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:25 pm

I watched something on Netflix called Blood & Gold; a very pulpy German WW2 action film.

A platoon of Waffen-SS are searching for a stash of Jewish gold, hidden in a German village, right on the cusp of the war's end in the spring of 1945. The Allies are on their way and the Nazis are desperate.

A German deserter runs into the picture and becomes embroiled in the ensuing chaos.

It's highly entertaining, though frequently quite gruesome!
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My state more base than are the basest valleys;
I wish no evenings more to see, each evening;
Shamed, I hate myself in sight of mountains,
And stop mine ears, lest I grow mad with music.

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Post by Stormbringer » Wed Apr 02, 2025 6:51 am

Cyborg

A Van Damme film from 1989. Set in a terrible and troublingly realistic post-apocalyptic USA, which doesn't seem like it could be too far away from now, gangs of thugs roam the streets, spreading violence and chaos. A plague has wiped out a large part of the population and this seems to be the biggest existential threat to humanity.

A cyborg, who underwent voluntary cybernetic surgery for reasons I'm actually not sure about, is on a crucial mission to bring vital data on the virus to the last group of scientists in the country, who have a base in Atlanta, Georgia. Only Jean-Claude Van Damme and his roundhouse kick can save her from the thugs!

There's a couple of problems: the first being she doesn't really need to be a cyborg; it seems that element was introduced just to have a cool title and a tiny bit of futuristic tech, and the second is that she's also hardly in the film at all. She also doesn't really do anything. Really, the film's about Van Damme kicking people. There's also a terrible "cybernetic organism" moment (where the woman reveals her concealed robot parts) that makes the scene in Terminator (you know the one where's Arnold's in the hotel room doing surgery on himself) look realistic. Yikes.

It was a wild ride, but ultimately very silly. The best way to describe it is "Mad Max without the cars" or "Max Max on foot". However, apart from one or two "What the hell?" moments, such as a scene where Van Damme spends ages setting up this ambush with a bow and arrow, only to shoot the arrow at the foot of his target, just to introduce himself from afar, then promptly throws away the bow, climbs down to meet them face to face and proceeds to...you guessed it...kick them.

It was a lot of fun, though, and Deborah Richter is absolutely gorgeous.
My fire is more than can be made with forests,
My state more base than are the basest valleys;
I wish no evenings more to see, each evening;
Shamed, I hate myself in sight of mountains,
And stop mine ears, lest I grow mad with music.

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Re: I Just Watched (Films)

Post by Animalmother » Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:22 am

I watched most of Cyborg at some point but remember very little about it. I think it was originally meant to be a sequel to Masters of the Universe but that was a flop so they just rewrote the script and used the sets and costumes.

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Re: I Just Watched (Films)

Post by ManBearSquid » Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:13 pm

Sold!

Masters of the Universe is amazing and I'll hear no other opinions on it.

Now I bid you good journey.
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Down in the depths, I’m a deep sea diver.”
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Re: I Just Watched (Films)

Post by Stormbringer » Thu Apr 03, 2025 3:24 pm

Animalmother wrote:
Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:22 am
I watched most of Cyborg at some point but remember very little about it. I think it was originally meant to be a sequel to Masters of the Universe but that was a flop so they just rewrote the script and used the sets and costumes.
I don't think they used the sets and costumes.

What they did was make Cyborg to recoup the sunk cost of the sets and costumes they made for the MotU sequel!

It's on Amazon Prime for free if anyone wants to check it out!
My fire is more than can be made with forests,
My state more base than are the basest valleys;
I wish no evenings more to see, each evening;
Shamed, I hate myself in sight of mountains,
And stop mine ears, lest I grow mad with music.

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Post by Animalmother » Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:59 pm

Ah right, I knew rhere was some connection with MotU somewhere. There's a really rough version on YouTube if you can he bothered looking for it.
Actually found a pretty decent version on Dailymotion..

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