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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Raid » Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:18 pm

To be honest, I think I'd rather companies focussed more on improving the streaming experience. I don't have any figures, but I imagine the environmental impact of data centres is less than that of supplying the same capacity of films in physical formats. A company like Disney has practically infinite money so they can surely stand the initial outlay for the extra digital capacity.

There's going to be a market for physical media for a very long time, but it would be nice if there were a true alternative which didn't offer a lesser experience.

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Wrathbone » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:12 pm

That's what Sony's Bravia Core streaming is attempting to do, as it claims to offer quality as good as physical 4k. The issue is that to get that quality, you need a minimum internet speed of 114Mbps. It'll be a few years before that's viable for most people, and even then it's only on supported Sony TVs.

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Alan » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:17 pm

You can already download movies for offline viewing on Netflix. I dont see what would stop them offering a more expensive tier that let you pre-download 50gigsworth. Probably too niche a market.
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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Achtung Englander » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:29 pm

I watched Jungle Cruise on Disney+ on supposedly "4K". It was 1080p at best.

4K streaming is shite. Its false advertising.
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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Wrathbone » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:41 pm

Alan wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:17 pm
You can already download movies for offline viewing on Netflix. I dont see what would stop them offering a more expensive tier that let you pre-download 50gigsworth. Probably too niche a market.
That's the problem, the majority of people don't know or care about the sort of quality they're getting, and frankly on the dirt cheap 4k TVs that go in Black Friday sales you probably can't tell much difference anyway. People who care about quality and are prepared to pay a premium for that niche are reasonably well catered for at the moment, but if studios start binning off 4k discs in favour of yeeting low-bitrate streams out the door, we'll get to the point where we can't compare disc quality to stream quality anymore. Streaming companies will be able to quietly lower quality to save on costs (which they're already doing) and there'll be a few crazies like me yelling about it while everyone continues to fork out more cash for less return.

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Raid » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:56 pm

Alan wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:17 pm
You can already download movies for offline viewing on Netflix. I dont see what would stop them offering a more expensive tier that let you pre-download 50gigsworth. Probably too niche a market.
Does streaming a 50gb file put more strain on a data centre than someone downloading the same 50gb file? I know that the end user's download rate is one part of the equation, but I thought the reason we have such low bitrates is that the streaming companies didn't have the bandwidth to cope with the demand.

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Wrathbone » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:07 pm

I'd have thought there's some extra strain involved, as streaming will generally only buffer so far in advance - i.e. it won't continue downloading the entire film if you've the available bandwidth at your end. I guess they could limit download speeds for downloading a huge film file in one go.

In terms of environmental impact, I skimmed a paper recently which concluded that if you watch a disc something like 6 times then it balances out with an equivalent stream, taking into account plastic manufacturing, transport of the physical media, etc. What I don't think it took into account is how often people will stream something in the background while doing something else - i.e. the stream isn't the primary thing they're occupied with. When I watch something on disc, almost without exception I will be watching that and not playing on my phone or doing other stuff. Streaming feels inherently cheaper, more disposable, and it's better suited to having on in the background on a PC or whatever. While the environmental impact pound-for-pound in streaming vs physical media is stacked against the latter, I don't for a minute think streaming is inherently the 'cleaner' option, due to the way people use it.

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Achtung Englander » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:15 pm

It is impossible to ascertain whether streaming damages for saves the environment given you need to take into account the carbon footprint of the servers v physical media production and worldwide distribution and the carbon cost of going to the cinema by those people who want to go. Its impossible to judge.

The fact is we will not get native 4K streaming for at least another two decades. BT simply do not have the money to roll out fibre across the country and as for the govt soundbite about levelling up - that is an empty slogan.

If you want 4K - buy UHD discs.
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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Wrathbone » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:53 pm

Reservoir Dogs is out on 4k today. While it’s not my favourite Tarantino film, it is a spectacular 4k disc up there with the best. If I had to pick a film to sell someone on 4k, it’d be either Blade Runner 2049 or this.

Pulp Fiction is out in a couple of weeks, and with any luck it’ll have received similar treatment.

EDIT - I've been on a bit of a 4k spree over the last year, so here's my expanded collection along with my rating for the quality of the 4k (not my rating of the film itself):
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1917 - 9
2001: A Space Odyssey - 8
3:10 to Yuma - 7
A Christmas Story - Not watched yet
A Few Good Men - 7
A Star is Born - 7
Ad Astra - Not watched yet
Alita: Battle Angel - 6
Anatomy of a Murder - 8
Animal House - 4
Apollo 11 - 8
Apollo 13 - 7
Arrival - 6
Avengers Assemble - 5
Avengers: Infinity War - 5
Avengers: Endgame - 5
Baby Driver - 8
Back to the Future - 9
Back to the Future Part II - 9
Back to the Future Part III - 9
Bad Times at the El Royale - 7
Batman Begins - 9
Batman, The - 9
Battle Royale - 7
Big Lebowski, The - 7
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure - 8
Bill and Ted Face the Music - 7
Blade Runner - 7
Blade Runner 2049 - 10
Bohemian Rhapsody - 7
Braveheart - 9
Bridge on the River Kwai, The - 7
Cabin in the Woods, The - 6
Casablanca - 9
Charlie's Angels - 6
Citizen Kane - 5
Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 6
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - 4
Dark Knight Rises, The - 9
Dark Knight, The - 9
Days of Thunder - 6
Dr Strangelove - 6
Dune (2021) - 10
Dunkirk - 10
Easy Rider - 4
Edge of Tomorrow - 6
Elf - Not watched yet
Event Horizon - 5
Ex Machina - 7
First Blood - 3
First Blood Part II - 3
First Man - 4
Forrest Gump - 6
Fury - 8
Game of Thrones - 9
Gandhi - 8
Ghost in the Shell - 7
Ghostbusters: Afterlife - 8
Gladiator - 9
Godfather, The - 8
Godfather Part II, The - 8
Godfather Part III, The - 8
Godzilla (1998) - 3
Goodfellas - 3
Goonies, The - 6
Grease - 9
Green Knight, The - 10
Green Mile, The - 8
Groundhog Day - 6
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone - 7
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 7
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 6
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 6
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - 6
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 6
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 1 - 6
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2 - 6
Hitman's Bodyguard, The - 6
Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard, The - 6
Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, The - 10
Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, The - 10
Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies, The - 10
Home Alone - 7
Hook - 8
Hot Fuzz - 8
Hunger Games, The - 6
Hunger Games: Catching Fire, The - 6
Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1, The - 6
Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2, The - 6
Inception - 7
Independence Day - 7
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - 9
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - 9
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - 9
Interstellar - 7
Jaws - 9
Jo-Jo Rabbit - 8
John Wick - 8
Joker - 10
Jurassic Park - 8
Justice League: The Snyder Cut - 5
Knives Out - 6
La La Land - 7
Last Action Hero - 7
Last Night in Soho - 8
Le Mans '66 - 9
Leon: The Professional - 5
Life of Pi - 5
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The - 10
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The - 10
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, The - 10
Lord of War - 7
Mad Max - 4
Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior - 4
Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome - 5
Mad Max: Fury Road - 8
Martian, The - 8
Matrix, The - 4
Matrix: Reloaded, The - 4
Matrix: Revolutions, The - 4
Matrix: Resurrection, The - 7
Men in Black - 6
Moon - 3
Moonfall - 7
Mulholland Drive - 7
Mummy, The - 8
Mummy Returns, The - 8
Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, The - 8
My Fair Lady - 10
No Time to Die - 8
Nobody - 7
Oliver! - 9
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood - 9
Passengers - 9
Planes, Trains and Automobiles - 5
Planet Earth II - 10
Pokemon Detective Pikachu - 8
Polar Express, The - Not watched yet
Predator - 8
Raiders of the Lost Ark - 9
Rambo III - 3
Ready Player One - 6
Red Heat - 7
Red Sonja - 7
Red Sparrow - 6
Reservoir Dogs - 10
Saving Private Ryan - 9
Scott Pilgrim vs the World - 7
Sense and Sensibility - 9
Seventh Seal - 6
Shaun of the Dead - 7
Shawshank Redemption, The - 5
Social Network, The - 9
Spartacus - 9
Speed - 7
Spider-Man - 7
Spider-Man 2 - 7
Spider-Man 3 - 7
Spider-Man, The Amazing - 7
Spider-Man 2, The Amazing - 7
Stand By Me - 7
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace - 9
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 8
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - 8
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope - 10
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back - 10
Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi - 10
Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens - 10
Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - 10
Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - 10
Star Wars: Rogue One - 8
Star Wars: Solo - 8
Stripes - 9
Suicide Squad, The - 8
Sully - 8
Taxi Driver - 10
Tenet - 10
Terminator 2: Judgement Day - 1
Terminator: Dark Fate - 7
Three Billboards Outside Epping, Missouri - 8
Tomb Raider - 6
Top Gun - 9
Total Recall - 7
Unforgiven - 7
Untouchables, The - 8
War of the Worlds - 5
Watchmen: Ultimate Cut - 6
Whiplash - 7
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - 8
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory - 10
Wolf of Wall Street, The - 6
Wonder Woman 1984 - 9
World's End, The - 8
Zombieland: Double Tap - 9

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Hatredsheart » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:15 pm

Current state of the collection, Pulp Fiction & Silent Running on preorder -
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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Hatredsheart » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:21 pm

At the risk of necroing this thread -

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Re: UHD/HDR must haves

Post by Wrathbone » Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:31 pm

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